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Woodysrods Silver Member Brian Woods
Westbank B.C., Canada   CAN
Good Morning Denny
I didn't expect you up for at least another 15 minutes.
Brian

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Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
I hit the hay early last night, right after supper. Usually 5 or 6 hours is enough and then
I can run for another 10 or 12 maybe with a 1/2 hour nap mid day.
It was an 18 hour day yesterday because I had it in my mind to finish up the welding
on the wheel and get it functional.
With the warm weather I'm racing to get as much done before I have to put on my
grounds keeper cap. I still need to get my '50 pickup back on the road and get the
Tractors serviced and ready for the summer.
And.....the mutt's gonna need to take me for a walk down in the pasture shortly.
Gotta go out with her because of the Coyote's which have been up by the house
the last few nights.
DG



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Bitalli Vitaliy Koyy
Bathgate, West Lothian, UK   GBR
Hi Denny.

This is one great looking English wheel!

You mentioned that you are thinking about making/buying planishing hummer to compliment it, but please consider that you would more likely to use the wheel for smoothing the initial shaping done by the likes of mallet and sandbag (or stump), shrinker, etc. So you might not even need it for this project.
Since I have dramatically changed my career path I have access to both English wheel and planisher, but don't think both are required simultaneously to achieve great results.

I also realised that I never answered your question regarding wire beaded edge. Yet again in spartan spirit I avoided using bead roller and went for a quick option of incremental bending with a few super quick home made hand tools that gives you great control and good results. When you at this stage pm me and I will describe the process in detail.

Please start welding the frame or at least post a master drawing of your cyclekart!!!!

Kind regards, Vitaliy

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Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Thanks Vitaliy, if I did build a power hammer it would not be till I finish the Riley.
Most likely a project for next winter. Just something that's on my bucket list.
I spent a couple of days this winter and made up a set of T-dollies and a tucking
tool. Been doing some practice hammer shrinking on the stump then into the
planishing hammer.
Any of the old time panel beaters will tell you they could build a body with nothing
more than a stump and hammer. But, the wheel, planishing and power hammers
make the job a lot easier and faster. I just read an interview with Fay Butler. He was
making an aluminum wheel pants for a vintage Cessna. He used the Yoder, planishing
hammer, a wheel and his Pullmax. Took him a couple of days to make both halves.
He said he could have made them with a hammer and shot bag but it would have
taken him a month.
And just to be clear, I’m not going thru all this trouble simply to make a Cyclekart body.
I’ve been wanting these tools for a long time.
dg

Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Vitaily, hey, why don't you post that here, I'm sure there are some of the guys
lacking a bead roller, that would like to know how they could add a wire bead.
I'll be spending the next four or five days waiting for paint to dry before I can
reassemble the Wheel. In between I'll fab a rack to hold the dies.
Don't know if I posted this already, but when I was waiting for material a
couple of weeks ago I made up a few T-dolly's. There are a few more that
I've got in mind that I think I'll do while I'm waiting for that paint to harden up.
dg


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Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Well, yes, I have posted a lot of crap about my winter projects. But, Spring is here and
they are done and now once the shop is cleanup some, I'm going to hit the Riley Monoposto
whole hog. And when the time comes for the body work, I will at least, have the equipment
that I've wanted for many years, if not the expertise to use them.
So....here's the last of the picx before I get cracking on the frame again.
Denny G


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dBlast Vince De Blasi
Maple, ON, Canada   CAN
Denny,

That is a work of art!!

Vince.

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Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Well at least it's fully functional and I'm having a lot of fun demoing it
to all that wander thru the shop. Sure gonna take some practice before
I can make it do what I want it to.
dg

Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Snuck in a few minuets this afternoon and grabbed a piece of scrap to
try a reversal on in that wheel. Turned out not to bad for a first try, Would
make a nice transition of the cowl to the wind screen.
dg

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Bitalli Vitaliy Koyy
Bathgate, West Lothian, UK   GBR
Hi Denny

Looking like you will progress with your project really well.

I am sorry for a late reply, I don't seem to get email notifications on this particular thread for some reason from beginning, but get the rest.

I will drop a quick write up on the wire bead once I near my tools to make some pictures.

Kind regards Vitaliy

Denny Graham Gold Member Dennis Graham
Sandwich, IL, USA   USA
1950 Chevrolet 3600 "Old Blue"
1954 Chevrolet 3600
Great, I think there would be a lot of interest in how that is accomplished.
Most of the guys probably don't have access to a bead roller especially
with the proper die set.
A lot of effort went into the Wheeling machine and the pure fact is, that most
of the cars from the 20's, which is where I believe the karts inspiration belongs,
most of them don't have very many compound curves. Pounding into a stump
was about the most popular method of body forming during that period. The
wheeling machines didn't really come into their own until the late 20's and them
strong in the 30's on. So, most of the body panels were straight or simple curves.
About the only real panel beating that you would see in most 20's race cars is
in the tail.
But my tools were not made specifically for a Cyclekart, I've got lots of other projects
lined up.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

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